Mishima discussion!

[50percentelf]

Well I wanted to use this thread to show off a lil. youtu.be/MWNpXTXaLOg

But what are your opinions on mishimas? Think they are op? Got some beef with untrue mishimas, jinpachi and lars? Discuss all things Mishima.

[Deleted]

I hope this isn't a thread complaining about Mishimas, I love all mishimas. there powerful but really hard to use, I have said this to people before, but they don't understand. If its a Mishima Discussion then let me add, Lars and Jinpachi should be included as they are indeed Mishimas.

[50percentelf]

Well they lack basic Mishima moves is the only reason people don't consider them mishimas. And I'm not complaining about them, it's a discussion topic. Why would I complain about a character I play on my secondary team .

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Aug 7, 2013 9:21:53 GMT 50percentelf said:

Well they lack basic Mishima moves is the only reason people don't consider them mishimas. And I'm not complaining about them, it's a discussion topic. Why would I complain about a character I play on my secondary team .

You Play Heihachi/Leo ?, Ok then my apologies, Jinpachi has the Devil Gene, so He is defiantly a Mishima, As for Lars, You don't have to include him then.

[50percentelf]

Well my secondary team is heihachi/Leo. Jinpachi has a ghetto electric but no wave dash. :/

[dragonarse1]

Misimas are not OP. Mishima players have to know the character extremely well to stand a chance. Take Kazuya for example, yes he can rip out extreme combos and he has the best launcher in the game. However, most of his moves are unsafe and he only gets big rewards after a high risk play. Also it's a lot harder to sidestep a move and punish with an EWGF than it is to use a standard launch. Further more, Mishima characters don't have a large amount of strings to keep the opponent guessing, they know you want to EWGF, the task is how do you hit them with it despite this. Honestly if I get dumped by a Mishima I applaud the player as I was the the one who made the mistakes and got hit by hellsweeps, ff+3 and EWGF mix ups. As for Lars, well he sucks in TTT2 compared to T6 lars so forget about him . As for Jinpachi, I like him and his EWGF is hilarious to use. I don't mind calling Jinpachi a Mishima because he tries, but Lars is just the problem child xD.

[50percentelf]

Side step electrics are easier if you side step into the background. Not sure why.

[HaseoEX]

Hey 50, there was a weird occurrence a while ago when I was using Jin's EWRH against Kazuyas PEWGF on a human player(he's an acquaintance of mine) and my connected first before his. The frames for Jins are less than Kazuyas PEWGF. My friend has been pondering about why my hit first? xD

[50percentelf]

I thought kazuya had the fastest ewgf.

[dragonarse1]

Aug 7, 2013 15:30:27 GMT HaseoEX said:

Hey 50, there was a weird occurrence a while ago when I was using Jin's EWRH against Kazuyas PEWGF on a human player(he's an acquaintance of mine) and my connected first before his. The frames for Jins are less than Kazuyas PEWGF. My friend has been pondering about why my hit first? xD

The Perfect electric is faster by a whole frame. It must have been human error. It is easy to input f,n,d,d/f by accident when trying the perfect and the d/f2 can be delayed after the F,n as Kaz does his little miststep. The PEWGF can punish -13 moves, Jin's electric cannot, therefore it has to be faster.

[Jac]

He does have the fastest electric. 1st off your poll is biased. 2nd what has the ability to do such quick movements on stick got to do with Mishima's? That is the person not the character. Other characters can WD also? 3rd is this a flame thread or what?

[dragonarse1]

Aug 7, 2013 16:35:58 GMT Jac said:

 3rd is this a flame thread or what?

I think he is addressing the way people accuse Mishimas of being OP when, in reality, they are not.

[50percentelf]

It's a discussion thread.. We're discussing opinions. There is a poll... The purpose of the wave dash is to apply pressure with mids, hellsweeps and electrics. Mishimas have the most versatile wave dash by far. The point is mishimas have the highest roof on what you can do with them at high levels. The wave dash video was really just me showing off. I even stated that.

[Jac]

Bob.

[50percentelf]

Which is why bob was played so much in 6. But mishimas got buffed in tag 2. It's also the fact that they have the dash and many other tools.

[Grandmthethird]

Can i just point out, when people say "Mishima's aren't OP, because they are hard to use" This isn't completely true. Yes if a new player was to pick up a Mishima, you won't be expecting them to pull of 4 electrics in one combo. So looking at it like this you can say Mishimas are hard to use. But this is a very 1 dimensional way of looking at things and it completely over looks the fact that many Mishima users are not newbies. But are infact veterans. When you've been playing a caracter for the past [insert year here] pulling of these moves is muscle memory and its no longer hard for you.

BTW i'm not knocking Mishimas, i'm just saying the whole Mishima's are hard to play argument is a bit weak. I've said it a million times, i like Mishimas, i do think they are OP, but Tekken is the game of the Mishimas so they have a right to be OP imo.

[Moose]

Mishimas overall don't have the best tools. It's EWGF that really makes them a threat. A Mishima that can't make you duck via EWGF is severely limited, whereas someone like AK has tools to force the same fear and mixups without the execution barriers.

If you do a tool-for-tool comparison between any traditional (112, HS, EWGF) Mishima and Lars or Bruce, I think Mishimas would lose every time.

[dragonarse1]

Aug 7, 2013 18:28:11 GMT Moose said:

Mishimas overall don't have the best tools. It's EWGF that really makes them a threat. A Mishima that can't make you duck via EWGF is severely limited, whereas someone like AK has tools to force the same fear and mixups without the execution barriers.

If you do a tool-for-tool comparison between any traditional (112, HS, EWGF) Mishima and Lars or Bruce, I think Mishimas would lose every time.

Exactly, this is  what my argument is based on.

[50percentelf]

Mishimas have more than just electrics. And every character has mixups. If a Mishima lands a launch its 100+ damage off of everything..

[Jac]

Same for most characters.